Both have the same symptoms like grandiose fantasies and feelings of insecurity, but how is it narcissistic unless you actually believe you are superior to others instead of merely wanting to be, since lots of people desire to be the best or feel insecure.
I agree – don’t think a (genuinely) "shy" narcissist exists.
Having said that I’m guessing my definitions may differ from your definitions of shy and Narcissist.
Those with Narcissist Personality Disorder do not suffer from it – everyone else does. No, NPD folks will not spend their time glued to a mirror, they seek attention & yea they can be insecure, my Ex husband certainly didn’t love himself.
But genuinely "shy", yeah…. I knew one who’d deliberately be "shy", She’d often openly hide under tables because she would get the attention she craved. Ignore it and she’d turn you into the next "evil" person she needed to be protected from.
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… a shy narcissist? I don’t believe there is such a thing. Now someone can be self centered and yet be a little shy but a narcissist is a narcissist.
They have vastly different symptoms overall. Now the symptom you list may sound like its the same but it isn’t.
Having a disorder of any kind is when the problematic way of believing thinking feeling and interacting to the world become static inflexible often detrimental and to a degree that they greatly interfere with the functioning of the person.
Just as lots of people are shy but not all shy people have social anxiety disorder. Desiring to be the best and or feeling insecure is not nearly sufficient for narcissistic pd or social anxiety disorder.
Further people with social anxiety disorder and or avpd don’t have grandiose fantasies in the manner of believe or wanting to be better than others or in their own sense of self. The fantasies of individuals with these disorders are like daydreams and false hopes they have to make themselves feel better about where they are at and how things are for them now. Such as "someday I will have many friends" "One day prince charming will come and he will love everything about me"
"one day I’ll be so confident I’ll apply for a promotion at work"
A narcissist may have grandiose fantasies in the sense that their own importance self intelligence ect is vastly more than it actually is. That someday they will be all powerful in various settings because they believe they deserve to be because they are just that great. False beliefs about the self. Rather than daydreams of someday everything being ok so that the person doesn’t really believe will be but the idea that it could makes life livable.
If all of that made sense…
People with avpd or social anxiety do not wish to be superior to others. That is not what is meant by indulging in grand fantasies in their case.
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I agree – don’t think a (genuinely) "shy" narcissist exists.
Having said that I’m guessing my definitions may differ from your definitions of shy and Narcissist.
Those with Narcissist Personality Disorder do not suffer from it – everyone else does. No, NPD folks will not spend their time glued to a mirror, they seek attention & yea they can be insecure, my Ex husband certainly didn’t love himself.
But genuinely "shy", yeah…. I knew one who’d deliberately be "shy", She’d often openly hide under tables because she would get the attention she craved. Ignore it and she’d turn you into the next "evil" person she needed to be protected from.
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